|Display name||Gerry Fallon|
|Member since||29th January 2020|
Food Information Regulations & Prepacked for Direct Sale
19th February 2021
Saffron Scottish Users Group
22nd January 2021
Elspeth, we recently discussed the possibility of creating an area on the website where we could share compliant recipes - not sure if there been any development with this, I know Jayne said she would discuss it further?
13th May 2021
Brakes > Saffron live data link update:
Further to posted last week, see update from Chris Boyle below. Chris' frustration is palpable and understandable and not quite sure yet how this API service will work. I've told Chris we will put this on to the agenda for discussion at our next users group meeting with them:
Been off a few days this week but managed to catch up with our digital product lead Justin whom I have cc’d in on this.
Justin has had the call with Saffron, It seems they have led us a merry dance with it just becoming apparent that they no longer require the file output we’ve built, and will instead be using the existing basic API. We spent months of time, resource and investment building this as you have seen for the regular updates I have been sending you.
The upshot is we won’t be progressing the file output solution any further, and in the next month or 2 as Saffron establish their API capabilities, they’ll be simply connecting to the existing API service.
The confusion and resulting delay sits squarely with Saffron, and any pressure you guys could apply to get them to connect Brakes product information would be appreciated.
We also have had several councils asking us to connect with Nutmeg as well which again will be more time, resource and investment.
You can still use Saffron but its just means it’s a very basic and manual service.
13th April 2021
Afternoon all, I'm looking for compliant home bakery recipes for break time in primary and secondary and wondered if anyone has anything they could share?
I had a look on this site but couldn't find anything, would be useful if we could create an area where we could share compliant recipes?
9th April 2021
Disappointing turn of events between Brakes and Saffron regards the live data link - see email received from Chris Boyle this morning below. I've asked him if there is any pressure we can apply from our end and also advised him of this forum and the regular meetings we've been having with Saffron and would be happy to raise at our next meting on 18th May if need be. Will update further following feedback after Brakes and Saffron meeting this afternoon.
Unfortunately we’ve hit a major roadbump with Saffron, with the issue being their end. The contact we were working with went radio silent on us so we found an alternative person who is the Head of Service Delivery. He quickly poured cold water on the original solution we’d been working on at the request of the original Saffron contact, and it looks like we might need to start again…
Extremely frustrating after the effort and money invested to date, and given we seemed so close to finishing off the work. Got a call with the new contact 4-5pm Wednesday to establish what’s going on their end, see if we can salvage anything from what we’ve done so far, and agree the best way forward
Will update further after Wednesday
7th April 2021
Irn Bru Sugar Free drinks - further to the initial view of HNI's, just to say that I've updated the compliant drinks spreadsheet with these drinks now deemed compliant (though discouraged) as discussed in Q9 of the NAM.
12th March 2021
Nicky, we can expect guidance from FSS at some point but as discussed, what foods will require to be labelled the new regulation depends on how it is sold.
The key thing is the ‘direct’ part of ‘prepacked for direct sale (PPDS) – for the sale to be ‘direct’ it is necessary for the sale to occur in the presence of catering staff and the pupil so basically anything put into a closed package and displayed prior to sale (not at the request of the purchaser) is deemed PPDS and therefore would require labelling e.g. a wrapped burger or sandwich wedge on display for sale.
Whereas anything put into packaging after being purchased is not deemed PPDS e.g. a loose sandwich/burger put into a bag for the customer at the point of sale.
Just to confuse things, PPDS food sold via ‘distance selling’ e.g. over the phone for a takeaway or via the internet including pre-order would not require labelling.
I think the first thing we all need to do is look closely at what we currently package before sale and see if we can do it differently to avoid the need for labelling though there will be a need for some foods to be prepacked.
23rd February 2021
Hi Linsay, it all depends on the artificial sweetener you're thinking of using and in what product - food additives legislation is a nightmare! There is an excellent EU food additive database:
which is searchable for either the specific E number or product category. For baked products, these are referred to as 'fine bakery wares' - see https://webgate.ec.europa.eu/foods_system/main/?event=category.view&identifier=90 for the list of permitted additives.
Having checked it regarding the use of stevia that I enquired about recently see that it's not allowed!
17th February 2021
See response below from Civica regards suppliers free sugar data. I think we may have our first agenda item for when we meet on 9th March.
I have checked with Lee Gibbs (Saffron Head of Service Delivery).
He has had meetings with various suppliers, notably Bidfood/3663, who have an automated feed of product nutrients and allergens into Saffron.
Unfortunately, the suppliers don’t seem to have any plans to gather data on Free Sugars in the products they sell.
We are working to get the data added to the MW7 data set because we ‘feel responsible’ for that data because it comes as standard in any Saffron installation.
We have paid for a consultant to do the work of gathering the data so that it can be added to the system.
But unfortunately, we don’t have the resource or ability to do this with supplier’s data and we cannot force the suppliers to comply.
The only thing that might compel them is pressure from their customers. The difficulty you have is that the standards are not changing in England and Wales, and so there won’t be pressure being applied from other other Local Authorities across the UK.
Please let me know if you have any other questions on this matter.
11th February 2021
Interesting to see Q9 in the updated NAM (p19) regards drinks labelled with “may have an adverse effect on activity and attention in children”. The answer provided doesn't say these are non-compliant but again says "must be carefully considered by each local authority".
10th February 2021
Hi Lorna, it's on the spreadsheet on the discussion board, first tab on the bottom:
10th February 2021
Hi Lorna, given Brakes don't currently provide NMES data don't know how this will be possible. Goes back to the bigger questions for all of us using Saffron as to how and if we will be compliant in 8 weeks time.
9th February 2021
Thanks Jayne. Sorry for the pessimism but it looks unlikely that this will be done for us all before April so maybe worth having this discussion with them sooner rather than later?
Regards the first users group meeting, 9th March is fine with me.
9th February 2021
Hi Liz, I received an email from Civica yesterday advising they are writing up the instructions how to move our ingredients from M&W v6 to v7 which will include the 'free sugar' data. I asked if this will also apply to supplier-provided nutritional data which doesn't use M&W data obviously and it doesn't appear that it will - said they would check and get back to me. This is potentially a big issue so will wait on the answer before I contact Brakes regards this.
They also said that they are in the process of creating the new guidelines in the database which they will then link to our menus.
Regards Brakes and the new live data link with saffron, I received an email from them yesterday advising they are currently testing and sent over the first files last week and it will be another couple of weeks before they complete testing and they go live which is good news.
9th February 2021
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